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Update (4/22/2009): A lot of people come to this post on a search for 1110a or something related to that. Section 1110(a) of the Vehicle and Traffic Law in NY says:
Every person shall obey the instructions of any official traffic-control device applicable to him placed in accordance with the provisions of this chapter, unless otherwise directed by a traffic or police officer, subject to the exceptions granted the driver of an authorized emergency vehicle in this title.
As of 4/22/09, it's 2 points in NY, and the max fine (including surcharge) is $235. It counts for 2 points in NJ, and may count for points in some other states.
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Update (6/23/2007): We have seen an 1110(a) show up on a NJ driving record and it counted for two points. We now think that the best NY 2-point deal for a NJ driver and a NY ticket is V&T Law §1175 - obstructing an intersection. We have seen such a violation on NJ records and there were no points.
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We get a lot of cases with speeding or other traffic tickets involving out-of-state drivers. A big concern is how the result here will affect their license in their home state.
This can be confusing, and there is no solid source of info for the various questions that come up. We're doing a research project now to get firmer answers, but I thought I'd mention some initial things.
We get most of our out-of-state clients from New Jersey and Massachusetts, and also from Quebec and Ontario, as well as other US states.
Interstate handling of traffic convictions is covered by "compacts". For a discussion of the compacts, see this link from the AAMVA (American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators).
New York participates in both the Drivers License Compact (DLC) and the NonResident Violator Compact (NRVC). New Jersey also participates in both. Massachusetts does not participate in the DLC. New York also has direct reciprocity with Ontario and Quebec, but not with any US states.
Under the DLC, NY is supposed to report traffic convictions to the DLC, and member states are notified of their drivers' convictions. Since Massachusetts is not a member of the DLC, it would seem that moving violations in New York will not affect a Massachusetts license - this is our initial conclusion but we're still looking into it.
Massachusetts is a member of the NRVC. That seems to be about suspending your home state license if you fail to comply with the process in the state where you got a ticket (i.e. if you ignore the ticket or fail to pay the fine, etc.). But that doesn't sound like they get "surcharged". But their drivers manual claims they get notified by other states. And if you do get surcharged, your rates sky. You can lose 6 good driver credits and get whacked with 2 surcharge points. Total of 8 points, which raises your rates by about 50%. Ouch! And it's not clear what you would plead down to that would be safe. It looks like you can get surcharged even for non-moving violations.
New Jersey is a member of both compacts, and assigns 2 points for any out-of-state moving violation. This has its own problems. As a lawyer I usually try to negotiate a reduction for my clients. A common reduction might be from a 6-point speed (21-30 mph over the limit) to an "1110(a)" - "failure to obey a traffic control device", which is 2 points. But if NJ assigns 2 points for all out-of-state moving violations, then I should never take the 1110a because I'm not getting anything for my client. I should push for a non-moving violation or else try the case.
Except, it's not clear if 1110a would be recognized as a moving violation under NJ Law. Another, better provision might be 375(3), which is failure to dim headlamps (not lowering your highbeams when facing oncoming traffic). There does not seem to be a provision of NJ law that assigns points to anything like this. It's a 2-point violation in NY, but maybe NJ would not assign points for it. We're researching that as well.
Ontario, by the way, does have a specific provision for failure to dim headlights. Curiously, they do not seem to assign points for speeding 1-15 kph over the limit (approximately 1-10 mph over the limit). So maybe it's better to plead down to low speed ticket (3 points in NY) than the headlights or 1110(a). Except that Ontario doesn't seem to have a close fit to 1110a either.
We're working on getting these answers, and will post a further update when we get there, and we'll probably add a page on our main traffic ticket site too.
Coincidentally, I don't think New York assigns any points for traffic convictions in other states. I've seen 100+ NY driving records and never seen an out-of-state conviction listed. I haven't even seen Ontario or Quebec convictions, and I think those are supposed to affect your license.
Another question that would need to be answered is whether an insurance company in State X can raise your rates for a traffic ticket in another state. I don't think NY Law would allow that, but maybe other states would allow it.
Sunday, October 02, 2005
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The thing that bothers me the most about traffic violations in New York State is the surcharge that the court charges you in addition to your fine. How can this be legal? I once got charged with a non-moving violation. The fine was $45, but the court surcharge was $55. This is an unfair tax.
Do you have any idea about Texas. I got a 1110A (reduced from a 6pt), how would this effect me in texas??
thanks
The $55 surcharge is the least of that. At least they tell you that up front. Plead to a 6 pt violation and you get whacked with an extra $300 from DMV a couple of months later.
As for Texas, I don't know. I haven't had a TX client yet, so I haven't researched the question. I would guess that the 1110a is less likely to affect you, but can't say for sure.
thanks WR, hopefully it does not go all the way to texas
Received a 1110 (a) this am in Manhattan. The ticket has a missing field (vin number is blank) and wondering if this may be cause for a reduction.
Any thoughts?
Regarding the Manhattan question, I don't think the VIN number is a winner, but I can't say for sure. We're now handling NYC speeding tickets. We charge $750 to handle them, and an 1110(a) is probably not worth it.
I have been charged for "disobeying pavement maning (I think but not sure if this is the correct word since the handwriting is difficult to read)- cros solid white line. Since it was 1110a...I would like to learn of this violation... Can anyone give me some info?
It's probably "pavement marking", not maning. I'm not sure if a solid white line counts as a "traffic control device", which is what 1110(a) refers to.
Warren
FWIW, the NY DMV site specifically states they will not give you points for violations committed in other states (see http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/dmvfaqs.htm).
I just got a 1110A, but have an AZ license. It will be interesting to see if I get points on the AZ license.
can you tell me definitively whether a 1110(a) is a moving violation or not? I got a 70 in a 55 (1180b) in cherry valley, ny, applied for a reduction with the otsego co da, and got back a 1110a with 2 pts. don't care about the fine but do not want to cop to a moving violation
The most recent comment above this one asks if 1110(a) is a moving violation. As discussed in the post itself, it is a 2-point moving violation. --Warren
i'm the poster about asking whether a 1110a is moving violation. warren answered yes but i've been told (orally) by the otsego co da's office and the local dmv office that it is NOT a moving violation. can anybody show me (or direct me to) something official in writing? thanks
I am NY License Driver and got a ticket yesterday for 'improper passing' in New Jersey, this was because I drove on the shoulder for a few yards. Anyway, I would like to know if my points will get transferred to my NY license or should I just pay the fine that shows up on the website and leave the points as is since they wont get transferred. Someone asked a similar question. I hope you could answer this one.
Responding to Chaz, read my post again:
"Coincidentally, I don't think New York assigns any points for traffic convictions in other states."
Hi, does anyone know if an 1110(a) in NY will affect a CT drivers license? thanks
Responding to rm, I don't think a 1110(a) will show up in CT, but I don't know. You should check with a CT traffic lawyer or insurance agent.
I am from Ontario and I received a ticket for speeding at 82mph in a 65mph zone. Would it be worth pleading guilty under 1110A statute? Also, would this affect my insurance, and would I get points for this?
Regarding Ontario, I did a post about that: NY Speeding tickets for Ontario drivers.
I am from NJ and I found it worth while to leave a dui in qubec alone, if i had plead guilty to it then it will transfer over into the states. Though left alone the warrant just sits in canada. I am curious about that showing up on my record though.... As far as the not obeying traffic controls ny and nj, they both have one. I find the 97-1.1 in ny never tranfers over into nj insurence or other wise due to the violation being a 97.2 in nj.
My wife received 2 tickets tonight in Manhattan: a 1110(a) for making an illegal left turn and a 509-1 for driving without a license. She is a German citizen with a German license. Three questions: is the 1110(a) subject to points and if so, who would receive them? Isn't it legal to drive in NY with a license from Germany?
The 1110(a) is 2 points on her NY record. As for driving with a German license, I don't know. It's never come up before. You should probably check with NY DMV about that.
Hi,
I'm a NY driver who recieved a ticket on Monday (10/15/07) in Brockville, Ontario Canada for 135kph in a 100kph zone (21.7mph over).
I have read that points don't get onto a NY license from other states EXCEPT Ontario and Quebec, according to the DMV site. However, in your post "Our traffic violation research project" you say you haven't seen Ontario or Quebec offenses on NYS licenses, suggesting they don't really affect it.
I've looked into getting a lawyer and it's about $500 with no guarentee (although he claims a high dismissal rate of %66). The fine is $265 - not so bad, but with 6 points on my license (21 miles over), I'd be looking at a large assement too, not to mention the 6 points. Does anyone know if they do or don't transfer?
on the subject of the lady with the German license...
The points will not effect her, as the points are assessed by the agency which issues the license in question. Here, that would be the German licensing authority, the equivalent of their DMV. The NY court is not going to go through the trouble of contacting the German DMV. I seriously doubt they would know how to do so even if they wanted to. Even if they did, Germany has no reciprocity with NY and wouldn't act on it (even if they could read such a notice in English.) As long as she does not get suspended in NY, in which case NY would track the suspension of her right to drive in NY, she is free and clear and it will not impact her rates.
The point about the German license was the charge under 509-1 for driving without a valid license. Is a German license valid in NY?
The question was not about how a NY violation would affect her German license, but I agree with the answer that it would have no effect there (nor in most other countries, but it does affect Ontario and Quebec and maybe other parts of Canada).
Hi,
Question for Albany Lawyer.
I had MVA with the guard rail in a snow storm in Chazy, NY. The trooper gave me a ticket for 1180A, I applied to the Clinton Cnty DA for a reduction and was given a 1110A. I have a NJ license will that transfer to NJ and thus raise my insurance rates? Should I ask for a further reduction?
Thanks
Anonymous immediately above asks a question that is answered at the top of the post. The subsequent question "should I ask for a further reduction" might be the wrong question. Perhaps at this stage one might consider hiring a lawyer. :-)
I'm a NJ driver and got a 1110(a) ticket.
"We have seen an 1110(a) show up on a NJ driving record."
Does that mean I will be getting 2-points on my NJ licence?
I thought this was already clear, but I edited the post slightly to make it more clear. We have seen an 1110a show up in NJ. It counted for 2 points. we have also seen an 1175 show up on a NJ record, but it counted for no points.
I got 1110-A when driving from NJ to get out of the Lincoln tunnel. I followed the sign for 42nd street and did not see pavement marking. I had no opportunity to change the lane for going uptown. I pleaded not guilty. NY DMV has ent me "Affidavit in leue of appearance" Do I have any chance of being heard in terms of being waived or reduced to no point violation ? Does NJ charge two points no matter what being out of state ?
Re Tushar's question, I don't handle NYC tickets. I recommend Scott Feifer there. For NJ questions, I recommend Thomas Carroll Blauvelt.
In my experience, an 1110(a) will show up in NJ. I don't understand why people keep asking me if it will show up. I say so on the top of this post. I have seen it show up and count for two points.
I'm a Virginia registered driver. This morning I hit a patch of snow on a highway north of Syracuse (town of Pamelia, Jefferson County) the trooper charged me with an 1180a. This is my first ever traffic violation. The question is this: If I plead guilty, what sort of fine/point violation will they slap me with. And if I plead innocent, is there any point in arguing with the officer in court about how fast was too fast at the time and date of my accident. Side question: if I plead guilty, can they arbitrarily charge me for, oh say, "10-20 over, considering", and slap me with that penalty? In other words, if I plead guilty, do I really know what I am getting myself into?
1180a is a 3-point violation in NY. It does not specify a speed. You can fight it, and it might be difficult for the officer to prove your speed was not safe and prudent, but the judge might not care and find you guilty anyway. I've heard such stories. :-)
Bigger question is what VA will do when the violation is reported to them. Talk to your insurance agent or a local traffic lawyer, or both. If it will affect you there (I think it will but am not sure) then you may want to hire a lawyer (no bias on my part) to negotiate a reduction for you. Not worth my $500 fee unless it will affect you in VA.
Fine on an 1180a is somewhere around $200-250, as a guess.
My wife got a 4 point speeding ticket (in 25 mph zone)in NY. She has NJ plates and "only" 2 points on her current DMV record (no previous speeding). If she is offered a 2 point reduction (under 1110a) in a court, is it worth to agree? Thanks!
In my opinion a reduction from a 4-point NY speed to an 1110(a) is almost worthless for a NJ driver.
It is regarding my previous question " 4-point speeding ticket in NY for NJ driver. If 2-points reduction is worthless, then what should we do? Thanks
BTW, 2 points on 1110(a) or on speeding - are they equivalent for insurance? Thanks again.
"What should we do?"
Um ... hire a lawyer?? I'm biased on this, but that's my opinion.
As for the difference in impact on insurance, you should ask a NJ traffic lawyer or insurance agent to be sure. My understanding is that they have the same effect.
im an ontario driver, got a speeding ticket (22 - 24 MILES)in NJ. does this affect my ontario lisence record?
thank you
I don't know about NJ tickets in Ontario. Suggest you check with an Ontario lawyer (and let us know what you find out).
NY has a "treaty" with both Ontario and Quebec. I don't think NJ has such a treaty, but I don't know. --Warren
talk to minstry of trasport ontario. they advised the speeding ticket in NJ will not come on an ontario driving record. just make sure to pay the fine and avoid any further action by NJMC. u can write a letter to the municipal court...and they may reduce the fine-an advice by a traffic ticket lawyer in ontario.
I got a speeding ticket in NJ and i have a NY liscence. 1) Will i get points on my liscence. 2) will my insurance company know about this and raise my rates?
I'm pretty sure the answer to the above two questions is: No. But there are always circumstances that may be different. -Warren
"4-point speeding ticket in NY for NJ driver. If 2-points reduction is worthless". What do you mean by worthless? As in just take the 4 points and pay the fine. Or it doesn't really matter which one you take.
Also what is the fine for a speeding ticket of 82/65 vs reduced to a VTL1110A
Thanks
As in: "Hire a lawyer to try to get a better deal."
Fine range for 11-20 over the limit is $175 to $385 (assuming the state legislature hasn't raised them again). Max fine for 1110a is $235.
My best advise is stay out of NY, especially upstate, and if you have NJ tags. Unfortunately, I was there on business and a trooper passed up five locals to get to my NJ tagged vehicle. I am convinced NY troopers work on commission. The fine is bad enough, but then they have to rub salt in the wound by reporting the points to NJ, thereby, increasing your insurance rates.
I got a 1110A today for disobey traffic control device.
I crossed the white line and entered on highway from wrong way.
reading above post tells me that I will get 2 pts.
Ticket does not say how much is fine.
Should I pay the all others fine-$40 plus $50 surcharge
I reduced a speed to a non-moving violation (1214)to save her license and allow the judge to charge a higher fine .
Arbella in MA almost doubled my insurance 2 weeks after an 87/65 ticket on I-90. I called them and told them that I am pleading not guilty, they said it showed up in their system and if it disappeared they would lower it back down. In the end I got a 1110a ($150 fine + $55 surcharge) so it went back to normal but it sure was frustrating.
Kevin's comment is interesting but I'm not sure how it could happen. NY does not (to my knowledge) report speeding tickets to other states until the case is resolved and they don't show up on a NY driving record until then either.
The ticket would only be in that court's records and in the "E-ticket database" if it was an electronic ticket (it would be printed on computer paper in the police car, as opposed to a handwritten ticket). Insurance companies should not have access to the E-ticket database.
But anything is possible.
I was on a Brooklyn borough (NYC) street with 6 lanes/3 each direction. I was in the right lane with a green light and made a right turn. A cop pulled me over 2 blocks later and said there was an international no right turn somewhere on the block I was prior on before the intersection. He gave me a 1110A and wrote disobey sign in the narrative. I think there may have been trees blocking this sign. I will go back and take pictures. I don't want any points on my licease and my insurance to go up as I was in a car accident a month earlier where it was ruled the other driver was 100% at fault. What can I do to fight this. Historically I don't believe there was no sign at this location as I've lived in the neighborhood 30+ years and there really is no logical reason for a no right turn sign to be placed there. I feel this is a money generator for the city/state as the fine seems to indicate $150 + another $50.
Is this worth pleading not guilty and can I get this reduced point wise and price of ticket-wise?
Thank you.
SHEEPSHEADBAY BROOKLY AUG 2009.
On the above, you should discuss with a lawyer. I suggest Scott Feifer at nytickethelp.com
hi, I live in upstate ny (I know lucky me) tonight I got clocked doing 81 in a 65 the nys trooper reduced it to a 1110a. but the supporting depo says what he originaly pulled me over for. should I pleed guilty or not guilty. since this was already a road side reduction would the DA reduce it in court again?? and it has not been very clear does a 1110a cause you auto insurance to increse??? thanks
You might be able to get it reduced, and then again maybe not. We are usually able to get further reductions for our clients.
In theory an 1110a can affect insurance, though my guess is that it's unlikely to do so if your record is otherwise clean. The impact may be more severe if you're licensed in another state, especially NJ or FL.
I'm a NY licensed driver in upstate NY. The officer gave me an 1110A. If I plead not guilty, what is the next lesser charge they might offer? Thanks.
There's no simple answer to "the next lesser charge" for most traffic offenses. The obvious exception would be speeding, where the next lower offense is a lower speed.
There are many violations that are lower than 1110a. Some have no points, while others do not even show up on a driving record.
I live in Massachusetts, which is not part of the DLC. Recently, I received a speeding ticket in NY (my only violation ever in this state) and in addition to charging a large fee + surcharge for the ticket, which I paid, they now want me to pay an additional $300 because my violation was worth 6 points. The letter they sent threatens with suspension of my NY driver license I don't pay the $300. I don't have a NY license, and I'm thinking of not paying this exorbitant additional fee, especially since it seems unfair given my good driving record. Can NY require Massachusetts to suspend my license if I don't pay?
You would not be suspended in MA, but NY would suspend your NY "privilege". So if you were caught driving in NY, you would be arrested here for "Aggravated Unlicensed Operation."
I wrote a recent question about not paying the additional $300 fine and Albany lawyer said that NY could not suspend my Mass. license, but could arrest me if they "caught" me driving in NY! Does that mean if they just see me driving, or if I get stopped for another violation? How likely is such an arrest?
I wrote a recent question about not paying the additional $300 fine and Albany lawyer said that NY could not suspend my Mass. license, but could arrest me if they "caught" me driving in NY! Does that mean if they just see me driving, or if I get stopped for another violation? How likely is such an arrest?
"If they just see me driving" smacks of paranoia. How would they know your privilege is suspended just by seeing you?
I suppose it's possible that the plate scanners (which check for suspended registrations) will eventually be tied into the database of suspended licenses and privileges associated with that plate. But I don't think they're there yet.
An arrest for driving with a suspended license is likely if you get pulled over in NY. Since you live in MA, a neighboring state, you will probably drive in NY with some frequency over the rest of your life - that's how long the suspension lasts if you don't pay the $300. So there is a substantial risk you will get pulled over or get stopped at a checkpoint.
Another option is to hire a lawyer to reopen your ticket and get it reduced. If your only concern is the $300, our fee of $750 is too high. But there are other benefits to the reduction.
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